This buckram brim number 322 turns down and has 4 1/2 inch front, back and sides. This brim is attached to a crown that has 3 inch front, back and sides. This buckram hat frame is for those in the hat making busines or anyone interested in learning the art of hat making. This frame is considerd unfinished because it is not covered with fabric or other material. It is part of the Buckram Hat Frames Collection offered through Kay's Art of Millinery.